The third question asked at Wednesday night's debate hosted by the Rhode Island Latino Civic Fund at CCRI's Liston Campus Auditorium was from Roberto Gonzalez, who asked about illegal immigration, specifically whether candidates believed it was the paramount civil rights issue of this decade, and what were the candidate's positions on E-Verify, the Governor's Executive Order, in-state tuition for illegal immigrants and the Arizona immigration law. Mr. Gonzalez also asked what candidates would do to encourage minority participation in decision making bodies in Rhode Island.
Unofficial transcripts of the answers offered by the candidates are available via the links below, listed in the order that the candidates spoke.
The Arizona law I'm against.
The executive order, I would keep in place, because that is enforcing the current laws of our land.
In-state tuition, with three years of high-school, I'm in favor of that.
And businesses should be E-Verifying. We should not be having businesses taking advantage of those who are most vulnerable.
Jump to Frank Caprio's follow up.
The executive order, I couldn't disagree with more. This governor has a knack for putting out some cold-hearted, poorly-calculated, perhaps unintentionally-hurtful documents. That is one of them. I would get rid of that on day one of my administration.
In terms of Arizona, again, from a national basis, when the Federal government fails to act, which it has...Arizona laws are those types of laws that come up. It is not only hurtful and insulting, but in my estimation, legally it is unconstitutional. I find it very unfortunate that it was filed, although any bill can be filed. I would not only veto it, I wouldn't wait that long. I'd be downstairs fighting to make sure it never passed, God-forbid it is submitted again.
The issue of in-state tuition: I don't know if Representative Diaz is here, and the others who have worked on it, I want to commend them. Grace Diaz has been a tremendous leader...My office is reviewing it right now. I have significant concerns because of the incredibly conservative court, that if we just pass the law, and we send it up there to be challenged, that we're going down the wrong path. Instead, we have to establish policies that display intent.
Jump to Patrick Lynch's follow up.
As far as the Governor's executive order, I would continue to support it because I believe that every state has the right to protect its citizens and its jobs for the legal people that are here.
As far as the Arizona law goes, again, this is a 10th amendment issue. States have the right to protect the people that live in their state, against people who are illegally in the state. I think that everybody in this room is legally here. We want to pass those laws to protect your jobs. A lot of you may be out of work. Some of the people that have your jobs my be illegal people, that are not here properly.
In-state tuition: I'm happy that Representative Diaz has promoted this in the past, but I believe that tuition is for students who should be legally here. Those students that are in Rhode Island deserve to have a break because they live here legally in Rhode Island.
And finally, I totally support e-verify. I have no problem with it. I do not believe it is racial profiling. I just think it is something that needs to be done to verify that when you are hiring someone that that person is a legal resident of the state.
Jump to Victor Moffitt's follow up.
I do support the Governor's executive order and would not rescind it, because it only does enforce laws already on the books, however with one exception: 287g with the state police, I would not do that. I would go with the Florida secure communities model which absolutely has safeguards against racial profiling embedded in.
As far as the Arizona style law, Arizona is not Rhode Island, I think there are components in that law that we could look at here in Rhode Island, but thank God we don't have drug lords running and shooting at ranchers across our border.
With the Nevada law also, let me tell you what I would like to see happen. I think both of those cases should go all the way to the Supreme Court, and I think that the Supreme Court should rule on how the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is being interpreted in the United States. My opinion is that the Fourteenth Amendment was passed after the Emancipation Proclamation, which basically granted citizenship to freed slaves in the United States and made them citizens. The Fourteenth Amendment now, unfortunately, is being used to go around and by-pass immigration law, and I am against that interpretation of the Constitution. I know too many people who came here legally. Some are entrepreneurs who have started businesses, and I think that people who are here illegally diminish the citizenship status of those who stood in line and did it right.
As far as the tuition reimbursement, if that individual is not here legally, then my answer is no.
E-Verify, yes. There are 70,000 Rhode Islanders out of work in this state, and I think we sure ensure that anyone doing business in this state, taking a job, should be here legally.
As far as affirmative action goes, I was an affirmative action officer when I worked for Continental Can Company and I had responsibility for over 40 plants, and I ensured that everyone from every race and every sex had an opportunity for jobs and job progression within that organization, and in my administration, I will make absolutely certain that my administration mirrors the demographics of the community.
Jump to John Robitaille's follow up.
And I do agree that this immigration issue does have to be addressed at the Federal level, and I was there during the Kennedy-McCain bill, which I was a co-sponsor of, which was a path to citizenship, which was a law that required people to learn English, and was a good law and had bipartisan support, Senator Ted Kennedy and John McCain from Arizona, a border state. I was a supporter of that. Unfortunately, that bill failed because instead we were talking about forbidding states from enacting their own gay marriage laws. We were talking about new abortion laws or flag burning. That was the summer when McCain-Kennedy should have been debated, but we veered off and talked about abortion and beating up on gays and flag-burning which wasn't happening, it took three weeks to defeat a flag-burning amendment.
So to the specifics. Yes, I would repeal the executive order. One of my first acts as Governor would be to repeal the executive order.
I would not participate in E-Verify. Listen to the states that presently participate in E-Verify. Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Mississippi, Rhode Island, and South Carolina. If it's so great , why do only six states participate. Is that the kind of company we want, I don't think so.
Secondly, the Arizona law, no, I would veto any Arizona-type law that came through the legislature.
And in-state tuition, yes, I think we should we should have undocumented citizens who have completed high-school go on to higher education, but unfortunately that rule comes from the board of higher education, and perhaps Mr. Caprio can work with some of the people he knows on the board of higher education, if indeed he is opposed to having an ban on in-state tuition for undocumented workers, to change that.
Jump to Lincoln Chafee's follow up.
I would veto any attempts at a type of Arizona law in the future.
I don't think we're ready for an in-state tuition program right now, it's just too great a social burden on all of us.
E-Verify: I like the concept of E-Verify, mostly for reasons of terrorism and homeland security. I think it works on a Federal level and I would never support it to be expanded on a local level. Our local police force should focus on local crime, not profiling of any sort.
We are not a border state and, as brothers and sisters, we need to work together and build communities. We certainly don't need to incite or create reasons to separate us. So again, we all need to work together.
Jump to Todd Giroux's follow up.
I think the Arizona law is asinine. There is no possible way that that law can begin to address the problem of illegal immigration. I believe it's xenophobic and it doesn't serve any purpose, except maybe from Arizona's point, to prod the Federal government into doing something. Rhode Island shouldn't be there, doesn't need to do that, and it won't solve the problem.
I do believe E-Verify can be a very effective way to stem the tide of illegal immigration. If the jobs aren't here, which I believe is a big motivator for illegal immigration, then I believe illegal immigration will ease.
In terms of the Governor's Executive Order, I would tweak the language significantly. I want to make sure that there isn't any ability for profiling to factor into what needs to be done. It's crucially important.
At the meet-and-greet that we just participated in, we spent about 15 minutes talking about in-state tuition, and the compromise that I was very please to have reached [with the questioner] was the idea that anybody who's here illegally and in our school system who is in the process of becoming legal, through going through the right steps and has applied for their documentation, we should educate those children. But because of the financial straits that we are in, and because the stresses our educational system is already under, I don't believe we can afford to educate all of the world's children right now.
Jump to Ken Block's follow up.
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Frank Caprio: When I am Governor, I will communicate with the minority community very clearly. I will also have my wife communicate with the minority community, she will be the first First Lady to speak fluent Spanish.
As to Senator's Chafee's comments about prescription drugs and voting against the prescription drug benefit: I don't know what you have against seniors, Mr. Chafee. You voted against the prescription drug benefit in Washington, and now, back home in Rhode Island, you want to put a new tax on prescriptions, as if the seniors are rolling in dough now. So, the failed policies of the past just aren't going to work. If we're going to get this state moving, it's not going to be by putting new taxes on our seniors.
And back to taxes of course: I'm running as an independent, and that was a courageous vote, to vote against the prescription drug benefit, because Rhode Island has one of the highest elderly populations in the country, I think we're fifth highest per-capita in elderly. That was such a courageous vote. But I'm such a deficit hawk, because I care so much about not getting into these deficits, I took that courageous vote and I've argued with my colleagues that we have to reform Medicare first before we put this added brick, on the high, high cost of Medicare. And then finally, on my plan to expand the sales tax...I didn't create the deficit that we all know is coming. We all know that's coming in the 2012 budget. I didn't create it, but I certainly want to solve it.
Caprio seems relatively level headed about this,although I don't agre with in state tuition.
Lynch is as phony as a three dollar bill on this issue.He probably admires Grace Diaz as much as I admire Rhody.
He's whoring himself out-a real shame.
Chafee is..well,Chafee.A great example of a brain damaged nincompoop.Did one of those horses he was shoeing kick him or something?
Robitaille is ok on this as is Moffett.
Block is completely wrong.
Todd who?