Re: Gemma’s “Breaking News”: What Did You Think?

While Anthony Gemma didn’t present any direct evidence of his charges of voter fraud in Rhode Island, his written remarks from yesterday assert that direct evidence does exist (h/t Edward Fitzpatrick)…

The five statements I have just presented to you represent a relatively small percentage of first-hand evidence developed by TRP. Testimony from these and other witnesses exists in written form and on audio and video tapes — the product of sophisticated electronic and human surveillance operations that confirm the contents of sworn statements.
Multiple videos contain clear evidence that mail-in ballots have been and are being bought by the Cicilline campaign and by other local, state and federal political campaigns.
Taking this presentation at its word:
  1. Describing something as “sophisticated electronic and human surveillance operations”, in any normal usage, refers to something more than “we have recordings of the statements I read today”, and
  2. The reference to mail-in ballots raises the question of where exactly it is that ballots can be bought and sold, with the seller’s identity as important an issue as the buyer’s.
As with many disputes, direct evidence when available is the quickest way to resolve uncertainties. Especially with regards to the second charge above, if video evidence of illegal attempts to influence this upcoming election exists (note that Mr. Gemma uses the present tense in reference to the mail-in ballots: “are being bought”), neither Anthony Gemma nor his investigators nor the proper legal authorities should feel obligated to wait until after the election has been tainted to present direct evidence they have obtained — and in the case of the authorities, to tell the public why they felt it necessary to act (or not).
At the moment, the question is whether Anthony Gemma has accurately described the work product of the investigators he hired but that hasn’t yet been seen by the general public, or whether marketing has run ahead of substance, in the absence of substance that speaks for itself.

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Monique
Monique(@monique-chartier)
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9 years ago

Great points.
The questionable preview and staging of yesterday’s press conference should not be permitted to overshadow the two much larger problems that were revealed:
1.) Wholly credible allegations of serious voter fraud activity in several of the last elections. Obviously, the evidence for this needs to be pursued by law enforcement (I am confident that this is happening) and the perpetrators, whether or not this list includes David Cicilline, held accountable.
2.) The assertion that shenanigans with mail ballots targeting the upcoming election are currently underway.

Warrington Faust
Warrington Faust
9 years ago

I have difficulty with the refusal to accept voter fraud. Maybe it is just regarded as “American as apple pie” and no one wants to see it.
It seems undeniable that Jack Kennedy was only elected by voter fraud in Illinois. In Chicago alone, 784 people were indicted for voter fraud in that election. And that was all they could catch.(“connected” judges let all but 2 walk)
This may be dismissed, with some correctness, that was just “Chicago Politics”. Still, it also proves just how easy it must be.

Dan
Dan
9 years ago

A general rule of government is:
Potential for Abuse + Little Oversight = Abuse

Tommy Cranston
Tommy Cranston
9 years ago

As I’ve said MANY times on this blog:
1. Look up the projo obituaries from January 1, 2009 to June 30, 2010 in Providence.
2. Find out how many of those corpses “voted” in September and November 2010.
It ain’t rocket science.

Sammy in Arizona
Sammy in Arizona
9 years ago

Misappropriation of voting machines lead to eight hour lines in poor districts, telephone jamming, fake felony lists and conspiring to change electronic counts are all known Republican tricks.
In 2000 the states of Florida and Ohio alone purged some 150,000 likely Democrat voters because their names were the same (or just similar to) felons across the nation.
The 2012 attempt to purge legal voters, will be larger than ever, with Republicans in 26 states joining in the scheme to suppress Democratic votes, and all but the most dishonest right-wing-nuts acknowledge it.
Its time to call these un-American tactics what they’ve always been: a fascist attempt to use dubious laws placing obstacles between law-abiding citizens and their rights to vote so that only the “right find of folks” can vote

Warrington Faust
Warrington Faust
9 years ago

Sammy, sometimes I just have to respond.
“Misappropriation of voting machines lead to eight hour lines in poor districts, telephone jamming, fake felony lists and conspiring to change electronic counts are all known Republican tricks.”
Could please cite a sufficient number of these instances to qualify them as “known” Republican tricks.
“In 2000 the states of Florida and Ohio alone purged some 150,000 likely Democrat voters because their names were the same (or just similar to) felons across the nation.”
Go here: courtconnect.courts.state.ri.us/pls/ri_adult/ck_public_qry_main.cp_main_idx
You will see there is enough information to reasonably identify a felon. The trouble may be that voter registration does not have that much info.
“Its time to call these un-American tactics what they’ve always been: a fascist attempt to use dubious laws placing obstacles between law-abiding citizens and their rights to vote so that only the “right find of folks” can vote”
Let me recast this to reflect another equally “Constitutional Right” and see what you think.
Its time to call these un-American tactics what they’ve always been: a fascist attempt to use dubious laws placing obstacles between law-abiding citizens and their rights to keep and bear arms so that only the “right find of folks” can do so”.
Before giving me “mass killing” scenarios, remember that a sufficient number of like minded voters (or like minded deceased voters) can vote the rest of us into penury. Also, the 2nd Amendment is “Federal Law”. The Constitution, leaves the determination of voting qualifications to the individual states.

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