The Only Questions Now

Is it worth forcing change in the Republican Party at Rhode Island and national levels by voting for a Democrat whom I despise, or would it be enough simply not to vote (or to write in Ronald Reagan)?
And a related question: Is the “slightly better” leadership of the Republican Party only postponing, perhaps with a consequent exacerbation of, those calamities that we fear were the Democrats regain control? If Democrat leadership let through a relatively minor terrorist attack, for example, mightn’t the national-security-based backlash at the polls give hawks a stronger hand to prevent such outcomes as a nuclear Iran?
How horrible that we find ourselves in the position of asking such questions.

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Mario
Mario
14 years ago

For me, there isn’t a question. I ended up voting for Laffey, and now I will vote for Chafee over Whitehouse. Vote for the best, even when the best isn’t very good.
Think of it this way: would you rather have a Senator that reflexively votes the Democrat position without thinking, or a Senator that thinks long and hard, and votes the Democrat position anyway? At least Chafee could, theoretically, change his mind; Whitehouse doesn’t have one.

Greg
Greg
14 years ago

If you honestly believe that Chafee spends a lot of time ‘thinking’ about votes you’re a vegetable. He hangs back and waits to see which way the political wind blows and who offers him a better deal to buy his vote.

demcdem
demcdem
14 years ago

Dudes! Whatever you do, don’t be like your fearless leader and support Chafee. That would be the wrong — WRONG thing to do. Oh yeah, I forgot though, evidenced by the Iraq war, you guys prefer wrong and strong.
So like I said, don’t vote for Chafee. Either vote for Whitehouse or write in one of your favorite Western cowboy movie heroes. Thanks ever so much!
Your friend the Democrat

Rino Cooke
Rino Cooke
14 years ago

This is way funny. All the arrogant Laffyistas just knew they were going to win, right? Hahahaha Justin, you sound like a spoiled rotten child who didn’t get his way. Grow up! and try to remember that a political party should have some flexibility for other ideas.
Oh yeah and get over yourself!

citizenjane
citizenjane
14 years ago

Will, oh Will? Where are you Will? Out having a little pity party with your moral certitude?
Well, when you’re back among us make sure to let us know how you justify this as a great accomplishment for the Republican party in RI.
Bwahahahahahahahaha

Joe Mahn
Joe Mahn
14 years ago

I am embarassed to be a Rhode Islander today.
J Mahn

don roach
14 years ago

*puts on spin doctor hat*
We could look at this election two ways. One, the conservative wing of the RI GOP was rebuffed….
or
The conservative wing of the RI GOP almost unseated an incumbent US Senator who is devoid of scandal and has some of the highest name recognition in the state. I hope Mr. Chafee realizes that he needs the almost 30k votes that went to his opponent in order to defeat Whitehouse.
Me, I’m thinking of voting in a Democrat instead of a RINO. If we’re going to have a dem in the US Senate he might as well be upfront about it.

Greg
Greg
14 years ago

Don,
You forgot a big factor. Most of the bluehaired droolers think they voted for John Chafee. And the ones that KNOW it’s Linc think he’s “John’s wonderful son” but couldn’t tell you a single thing he’s done (actually, none of us can, but that’s another issue).
It’s the same blind loyalty that keeps electing Kennedys because people loved JFK.

Rino Cooke
Rino Cooke
14 years ago

Look at this post from the open thread yesterday by Tom W(tool)…
Just got back from voting AGAINST Linc Chafee.
James Brown is now wafting through my mind:
I FEEL GOOD, LIKE I KNEW THAT I WOULD!
I FEEEEEL GOOD, LIKE I KNEW THAT WOULD …
Posted by Tom W at September 12, 2006 11:45 AM

Rino Cooke
Rino Cooke
14 years ago

Greg, You really need some anger management classes. Seek help! No one cares what your advice is. Don’t you get that? Laffey lost big! How’s that giant wedge of humble pie??
Rinny

Grady Shipley
14 years ago

I honestly can’t believe what I am reading. Because your boy didn’t win you are now going to vote for Sheldon?? A liberal Democrat? Fine, Chafee is a liberal Republican, which is not ideal. And Tom W. can keep calling him a democrat, but at the end of the day in this post primary world, Chafee is going to vote for Mitch McConnell to be Majority Leader fo the Senate, Sheldon isn’t and that means Committee Chairs like Ted Kennedy. Serisouly, all rhetoric aside, that is the deal now. So, support Chafee in the general and do it knowing who you are really supporting, the Republican Majority in the Senate, that is what it is down to now guys, keeping the Senate Majority. Sit out the race if you want to, but now if we lose the Senate….well, I don’t want to think of that possibility. I would rather support a RINO who will support real R’s by voting to keep them in the Senate leadership. And anyone who argues that Chafee voting to align the Senate under the Republicans isn’t a lock really has lost touch with reality.

Greg
Greg
14 years ago

Grady, what you’re failing to factor is the reality that Linc will pull a Jeffords if the margin gets narrow enough for his move to have ‘meaning’. He’s admitted to thinking about it the last two elections and if the Dems offer him a committee chair you KNOW he’ll bolt.

Grady Shipley
14 years ago

Greg, with all due respect, I absolutely disagree. If that is what you think, you haven’t been paying attention to Senator Chafee. I would hate to live in your cynical world. He is NOT going to bolt the party. He has made that crystal clear and especially not for a chairmanship. Even he understands he couldn’t chair a major US Senate Committee and I am sure he doesn’t desire to. Still, granting your premise that he may bolt, supporting Whitehouse assures a democratic Senate. There is no MAY in that scenario. I can’t grant your premise though, because I think it is very, very unrealistic. Chafee will vote to align under the Republicans.

Greg
Greg
14 years ago

Could you cite where he said he wouldn’t because I can cite two election cycles where he said he was thinking about it and back it up with multiple new sources if you need.

Andrew
Editor
14 years ago

Grady,
It would be nice if the Senator unambiguously stated that there is no circumstance under which he would leave the Republican party sometime during the upcoming campaign.

Grady Shipley
14 years ago

Andrew and Greg,
With all due respect to the both of you, I have heard him say it at many, many events and the 2 fundraisers I went to during this campaign. Greg, I am sitting here at work, so if you need me to pull out a direct quote from an event, that isn’t going to happen, as I have to make a living. Where are the citations for your stance? It is great you can cite two election cycles, but that offers no proof (what election cycles?). And Andrew, he has made it clear he is a Republican and is staying as a Republican. I can understand national pundits (Editor of NRO) believeing he might defect because they don’t know the Senator or the relationship his family has had with the GOP here in RI, but a local pundit advocating that there is a real chance he won’t vote to align the senate with the Republicans is hard to believe. Why can’t you take him at his word? As conservative we can be angry with Chafee for a lot of things, but lying to us isn’t one of them.

David Davis
David Davis
14 years ago

Joe Mahn:
I am not only embarassed to be a Rhode Islander this morning, I am also embarassed to be a Republican.

Grady Shipley
14 years ago

Andrew,
That was two years ago. I appreciate the time you took to find a citation. When I have the time, I will find a citation for my argument as well. As I indicated earlier, I am at work and I don’t have the luxery of time to search the net right now. I do know what I heard him say, when I heard him say it. I understand you haven’t heard the words come out of his mouth, hopefully, you can understand that I don’t put much weight in a two year-old quote when I have heard him say the opposite in the months leading up to today, right? Addmitting that doesn’t admit I am right, I just see you as a least a reasonable person who can make room for the possibilty that in the two years since he made that quote that he may have changed his mind. By the way, I can’t rule out the possibility that I will eat a grilled cheese for lunch today, that doesn’t mean I am going to, does it? Lets also leave some room in our discussion that there could have been some political rhetoric at play when he made that quote, yes? Perhaps he was qualifying exactly how upset he was with the President at the time or using the quote as a tactic to extract something from the President. We both know these sorts of things happenin politics.

rhody
rhody
14 years ago

I can’t say I’ve never been prouder to be a Rhode Islander, because helping keep Chafee came at a cost: letting Ralph Mollis onto the November ballot.
I can tell you this: Jon Scott won’t win, but he’ll fare better than many people think. A lot of Democrats are pissed with Kennedy for doing the Mollis robocalls. If the GOP runs a pro-choice woman against Kennedy (a Claudine Schneider-type candidate), Patches is toast.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Actually, I’ve been soundly asleep, because I’ve been up continuously since 6:00am yesterday…
Unfortunately, good doesn’t always triumph over evil, except in the movies.
Whatever happens, I will not be voting for Lincoln Chafee. You have you RINO now, and you can have him. He’s might be a “good guy,” but I’m not going to reward his evil campaign with my vote. He doesn’t represent my values, and I won’t cooperate with evil.

taxpayer
taxpayer
14 years ago

Tell me more about how to do a write-in vote…

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