Major Hillary supporter comes out for McCain; says Obama not who he says he is and Dems being taken over by MoveOn.org types
Here is some interesting news:
John Coale, a prominent Washington lawyer, husband of Fox TV host Greta Van Susteren and a supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton, announced today that he was supporting John McCain for president. Coale, who traveled with Sen. Clinton, President Clinton and her family through out the primary season, complained of sexism, and said the Democratic Party is “being taken over by the moveon.org types” in an exclusive interview with Newsweek.com’s Tammy Haddad.
Watch the video. Says he is recruiting “lots” of Democrats who will come out for McCain in the next few weeks.
Given their now well-documented inability to discern fact from fiction, how well do you think the Kos Kidz will handle this actual news? Maybe they will learn something about not over-playing their hand between now and when they hit puberty. LOL.
ADDENDUM
Froma Harrop reflects on Hillary’s words and actions at the Democratic convention as well as the reaction of her supporters to being Kos’d. Bush Derangement Syndrome seems to have begotten Hillary Derangement Syndrome and now Palin Derangement Syndrome. Sounds like a clinical condition, doesn’t it?! Or, at least a maturity problem!
As I wrote in the comments section:
It is also probably true that Coale and his ilk are political pragmatists who are motivated by wanting to see Hillary be able to run again for President in 2012. For that to happen, Obama has to lose in 2008 and they need to be able to pin the loss on him and the MoveOn.org types so they can marginalize all of them in time for 2012 – without Hillary being tainted directly by their actions. A 1-term McCain presidency provides them with the chance to make that gameplan happen.
More broadly, what these immature Kos Kidz don’t get is that some of us have intensely disagreed with Bush, the Republican Party, and Hillary at various times but we haven’t felt the need to do what they have done and jump off the emotional deep end over our disagreements.
By overplaying their hand, the Kidz have polarized people and appear to have fractured their party’s coalition. Hard to win elections – even in what should be a slam-dunk year – when you drive away key elements of your left-of-center coalition.
Hey, Kidz, politics is a contact sport so either grow up now so you can play ball with the rest of us grownups or sit on the sidelines until you have the emotional and intellectual maturity to run onto the field.
John Coale – a lawyer heavily involved in the negotiations that produced the cigarette settlement and now wants to sue the gun industry – is another lawyer with a very troubled “past” and a personal life that Coale himself admits he tries to keep as unpublicized as possible. As of April 1996, Coale, his wife Greta Van Susteren – who is also his partner in a law firm, and the law firm were all the subject of serious bar disciplinary proceedings in West Virginia, whose state bar’s discipline board was seeking to suspend their right to practice law in West Virginia for a year as a result of soliciting prospective clients in ways prohibited by bar rules, generally referred to by the public as “ambulance-chasing”; in Coale’s case, the term seems particularly appropriate because one of the incidents that landed him in trouble was his law firm’s employee allegedly trying to chat up a severely-burned man in an intensive-care unit. Such phone or in-person solicitation of prospective clients is so likely to lead to suspension of a lawyer’s law license that it very rarely happens. As the April 24, 1996 issue of “People Daily” (a web-site offshoot of “People” magazine) described their situation: “The firm headed by Susteren, her husband John Coale (who recently handled Lisa Marie Presley’s divorce from Michael Jackson) and their former law partner Phillip Allen illegally contacted families of West Virginians injured in accidents between 1990 and 1993, the state’s Lawyer Disciplinary Board contends. In one incident, the Charleston Daily Mail reported, a firm employee, over the protests of the accident victim’s wife, tried to enter a hospital intensive care unit to talk to a man who suffered burns over 60 percent of his body. “We don’t do these things in West Virginia,” state bar lawyer… Read more »
From the National Review archives: “Bhopal Coale” Regrettable Van Susteren The rise of Greta Van Susteren. By Jonah Goldberg From the October 26, 1998, issue of National Review EDITOR’S NOTE: Greta Van Susteren defected yesterday to the Fox News Channel. Van Susteren marks Fox’s second recent high-profile liberal addition, the first being Geraldo Rivera. In the October 26, 1998, issue of National Review, Jonah Goldberg wrote “Regrettable Van Susteren” about Miss Van Susteren and her ardent Clinton defending. he smoke has not yet cleared enough to determine exactly which part of the civic culture has been damaged the most by the Clinton presidency. But surely one noxious outcome of Bill Clinton’s effrontery has been to advance the “legal analyst” to the highest niche in television’s pundit taxonomy. Increasingly, the pundit class is dominated by people trained primarily in how to keep guilty people out of jail. Thus these new pundits are especially gifted in the techniques of equivocation, confusion, distraction, and blame shifting. So, largely thanks to the lawyers in this Administration of lawyers, and to their colleagues on TV, we have a scandal that is called complex (“What are High Crimes and Misdemeanors really?”) when it is actually quite simple (“He’s a pig”). The dogs of law were first unleashed on the viewing public by the decision to allow cameras in the courtroom, together with the boom in all-news networks. They found their supply of raw meat in the televised trials of William Kennedy Smith, the Menendez brothers, and, of course, O. J. Simpson. Their influence was as deeply pernicious as it was straightforward: “Put the system on trial.” They made Davids out of alleged rapists, Goliaths out of venerable institutions, and jokes out of deadly serious moral points. Jill Abramson claimed that her clients, the Menendez brothers, did… Read more »
My point here is that Obama supporters are thrilled and relieved that Scientologist and ethical albatross John Coale (“Bhopal Coale”) is backing McCain. We sure don’t want him endorsing Obama.
You can have the jerk! Not every former Hillary supporter will go for Obama, but it is totally OK in this case! Gov Palin herself will be rejected by almost every Hillary Clinton supporter- I’ve heard from a couple dozen to confirm this.
If McCain has good sense, he will reject Coale’s support.
Greta and her husband John P. Coale were investors in the Ponzi scheme of Scientologist Reed Slatkin; they invested $2.1 million and received $2.7 million in payments according to this report by the court-appointed trustee. When being told that even innocent parties (i.e. participants who didn’t know it was a Ponzi scheme) are required to return the extra money, John Coale said: “I’ll fight this thing for 100 years” because “Most of that money went to the IRS.” (Source: The Los Angeles Times from 21.12.2001)
Out of the Blue:
And your point is?
Nobody is suggesting John Coale or Greta be nominated for sainthood or ordination. Besides, by definition, anybody who is that close to the Clintons would have to have a high tolerance for low ethical standards!
But he is a big $ Dem and apparently he is bringing more big $ Hillary Dems over to McCain during September. Which means more money for the Republicans and that the Dem coalition is far from united as we enter the home stretch for the election.
Even non-angels can see the obvious: The Dems are being taken over by MoveOn.org types while Obama is an unaccomplished man who reads a script very well and has a history of hanging with radicals who publicly state their hatred of America.
It is also probably true that Coale and his ilk are political pragmatists who are motivated by wanting to see Hillary be able to run again for President in 2012. For that to happen, Obama has to lose in 2008 and they need to be able to pin the loss on him and the MoveOn.org types so they can marginalize all of them in time for 2012 – without Hillary being tainted directly by their actions. A 1-term McCain presidency provides them with the chance to make that gameplan happen.
Geez, what a complete surprise that the Clintons would place their personal self-interest ahead of their party and their country! LOL.
Welcome to power politics 101.
Some of us understand that it’s hard for the Kos Kidz to grasp these concepts as they require an elementary understanding of human nature and the underlying incentives which drive human behaviors.
Van Susteren is a bottom feeder ever since the OJ trial.Nancy Grace is another one.Larry King is a flatulent limousine commie.Cable tv has squandered is promise of wide “bandwidth” for disseminating information by giving over huge time slots to these walking,talking incarnations of supermarket tabloids.Of course it could be worse-we could be watching the Matt Jerzyk Show on MSNBC.Actually, it might be more fun.
Geraldine Ferraro has also indicated she is considering voting for McCain/Palin over Obama-
‘Geraldine Ferraro told NPR that she hasn’t decided who she’s going to vote for in November, while also stating that whatever Sarah Palin doesn’t know about foreign policy “she will learn very quickly – she seems smart enough.”‘
McCain has the support of one former Democratic VP nominee in Joe Lieberman—will he get a second?
As I read about “Kos Kidz” I couldn’t help but think that Pat Crowley is one of them, even though he’s no spring chicken … or should I say, he’s no “spring duck.”
His Kos Kidz membership is a symptom of arrested development, I guess.
I take John Coale seriously.
I also take the political views of Tom Cruise and other prominent Scientologists seriosly.
Yeah, Obama’s in trouble.
As for Ferraro coming out for McCain, that’s old news, at least six months old.
Out of the BLue:
In ther words, what you are telling us is that Coale is a typical Democrat, eh?
“As I read about “Kos Kidz” I couldn’t help but think that Pat Crowley is one of them”
Ah, but how many of them would have the nerve to go around in public in a George Bush mask?
joe,
Please. You call Larry King a Communist and complain about my use of hyperbole in some of my writings. Try to be more fair and balanced.
OldTimeLefty
We’re winning. And we’re winning because Clinton supporters are OVERWHELMINGLY backing our Democratic ticket. The same can’t be said for the Republicans. See Ron Paul or Bob Barr.
Or read this:
http://www.rifuture.org/showDiary.do?diaryId=3868
–We’re winning. And we’re winning because Clinton supporters are OVERWHELMINGLY backing our Democratic ticket.”
Well of course you are. Why wouldn’t we expect “collective” support as you march forth under the Socialist, err, I mean, Democrat Party banner?
Carry on Comrades!
>>We’re winning
Yes, if you’re talking about Rhode Island. Questionable otherwise. When you look at the battleground states, McCain is winning in Nevada, Ohio, Florida and trailing Obama by .4 in Colorado. Obama is up in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
Truthfully, we’re probably not going to know who is “winning” until election day.
OTL-I was once leafing through larry King’s autobiography to see what makes a sleaze merchant tick,and he mentioned how it was de riguere to vote for the American Labor Party when he was a young man.That party was in fact a subsidiary of the CPUSA.”limousine communist” is sort of a generic term anyway for filthy rich left wingers.
I’ll bet you think he is a no-class jerk also.
I KEEP WAITING for the Anchor Rising post on the Ron Paul “counter convention” in Minnesota. You know, the one with 18,000 people at it…
How about a little intellectual honesty, dear friends??
Why have the Republicans denied Ron Paul a speaking role at your convention even though he accumulated more delegates than Rudy Giuliani or Fred Thompson?
A party divided???
Hey Matt-worry about the family fights in your party-have all the “misguided”Hillary supporters been rehabilitated?
I recall not long ago you took Grace Diaz to task for daring to support Hillary-will you send her to a re-education camp where she will be made to write “cellophane shouldn’t be illegal”1000 tmes?
Speaking of a “Party Divided”, nobody has commented on Joe Lieberman’s speech last night–it was OUTSTANDING!
As one political pundit noted, if he could have spoken that passionately about Al Gore, Lieberman might have gotten to be VP.
Here’s my challenge:
http://www.rifuture.org/showDiary.do?diaryId=3878
Will AR respond?
Actually Matt, I’ve already been in on a group-interview with Bob Barr, and posted his views on Anchor Rising, for people to discuss if they want. Feel free to jump in the comments there, if you think his candidacy is a topic worth of discussion.
As an RI reader but not a contributor, I’d like to accept this challenge.
The reality is that Ron Paul and/or Bob Barr are less of a threat to McCain/Pail than Hilary supporters are to Obama/Biden. The poll you linked to showing Barr at 6% was two months old, from early July. The most recent Zogby polls show Barr at 3.8% and Nader at 1.8% – with some variation among polls. That’s a mere 2% difference and also assumes that all of Barr’s voters come from those who would vote Republican in lieu of Barr being on the ballot. A majority likely would but I believe a higher % of Barr voters would back Obama than the % of Nader voters who would back McCain.
So to call conservatives divided based on the existence of Ron Paul and Bob Barr supporters while asserting the unity of liberals behind Obama ignoring the Hiliary and Nader factions is pretty weak
I think the Republican’s are more afraid of the attacks on Palin’s husband for his 1986 DUI than they are of the supporters of Ron Paul or Bob Barr.
Andrew –
Your link does not address my question.
And the “discussion” composed of 1 comment doesn’t either.
Do you deny that Ron Paul supporters are worrisome for Republicans? Or the impact of Bob Barr?
Why are you concealing this story that is being reported all over except AR?
Matt,
To answer your question, I think they’d be some concern if it was Ron Paul was running as a third party candidate instead of Bob Barr. Paul has shown a capacity to raise campaign funds, Barr has not.
Also, Ron Paul fits the mold of pure libertarian making him attractive to that group. While he has switched positions recently, historically Barr isn’t a libertarian and there is little indication that the enthusiasm for Ron Paul can be transferred to Bob Barr.
I actually thought Bob Barr has passed away until I found out that he was running as a libertarian. If you’re running for public office, you’re in a lot of trouble if voters thought you were dead.
“So to call conservatives divided based on the existence of Ron Paul and Bob Barr supporters while asserting the unity of liberals behind Obama ignoring the Hiliary and Nader factions is pretty weak”
Good point, MSteven. Hillary’s eighteen million votes cannot be denied.
Matt J, if I ever want to conceal something, I sure won’t go to Andrew, seeing that his idea of “concealing” something is to attend a group interview and then do a post about it.
Matt apparently sees himself and RIF as the keeper of the “A” and “B” lists of liberals,where getting on the former means you adhere to every minute detail of the template.
I wonder if they have “self-criticism” sessions over there?
Joe Lieberman and his former Senate colleague Fred Thompson both made misleading claims about Obama in their prime time GOP convention speeches on Tuesday. We’ve heard two of them before – many times.
* Lieberman said Obama hadn’t “reached across party lines” to accomplish “anything significant,” though Obama has teamed with GOP Sens. Tom Coburn and Richard Lugar to pass laws enhancing government transparency and curtailing the proliferation of nuclear and conventional weapons.
* Thompson repeated misleading claims about Obama’s tax program, saying it would bring “one of the largest tax increases in American history.” But as increases go, Obama’s package is hardly a history-maker. It would raise taxes for families with incomes above $250,000. Most people would see a cut.
* Lieberman also accused Obama of “voting to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield.” But Obama’s only vote against a war-funding bill came after Bush vetoed a version of the bill Obama had supported – and McCain urged the veto.
factcheck.org
Between last night and today, I heard over 20 references to Paul or Barr on different media outlets.
Any analysis from AR?
s i l e n c e
CHECK IT OUT:
A New North Carolina Poll
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/nc_mccain_47obama_44_demcorps8.php
* McCain – 47%
* Obama – 44%
* Barr – 4%
Barr could cost McCain FIFTEEN electoral votes in North Carolina!!!
s i l e n c e
“Most people would see a [tax] cut.”
NC, as you’ve brought it up, Senator Obama has also proposed some very expensive initiatives. How would he both cut taxes for “most people” and pay for those initiatives?